Part 1: How do we know if it's guilt or shame?

Chitchat about whether it's guilt or shame, and why it matters. Part 1. Martha's a bit of an expert on this subject, if you didn't know! Buy her book here.

Martha is at marthasweezy.com
Hanna is at chacmc.org/hannasoumerai
Fiona is at fionakaterice.com

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